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Meri Dhosti Mera Pyar



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:28 am  Post subject: Muslim Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

Salam Namaste!

I am concern about the way women are being threated in Afghanistan and other countries. I saw few documentaries on TV and i was sick to the bone to see how they are being threated.

Stoning!!!

We are so lucky in North America.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:02 pm  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

Men get worse..they get their hands chopped off for petty crime..wanna trade?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:26 pm  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

Well the punishment is harsh, but too much corruption
I believe a person that commits rape should have his privates cut of
And a person that robs at gunpoint should have at least one finger taken of
Those things they will never forget about unlike 6 months in a luxurious NYC prison.

The problem is the corruption in those countries; the people with money and with status commit most of the crimes and get away with it completely
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:12 am  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

The interesting thing is, the attitude to crimes in the muslim and non muslim world.

In the non muslim world, criminals are given a chance to repent and learn from their mistakes. Discounting the fact of rapist ofcourse. But in some Muslim countries, their hands get cut off? Thats punishment straight away, with no chance for reprieve!
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Meri Dhosti Mera Pyar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:33 pm  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

I have been avoiding the Television since the Iraq war. I remembering going to the gym at 5:30am with my sis-in-law and thats all the other people watches. I did not know how lucky we women in canada and the united states are.

I did saw men being abused. There was a mass grave with young men. Seeing the women in Afghan had to follow so many rules. I remember get depressed watching the bombing and so forth. Voilence is a big thing today. Its so sad, many times i wonder what if that was me or a family member or somebody u know. The faces of children who lost their parent were devastating to me. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:44 pm  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

Why dont you try and make a diff to these children then? In whatever means possible to you..it wont change the world, but it would change the world of one child..
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Meri Dhosti Mera Pyar



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:09 am  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

Are u suggesting that i should adopt? Well i thought about it and when the time is right i will.

I would not go to a muslim country. I am a canadian woman who speak her mind......Safety issue here.I am more focused on my home country Guyana. I want to help kids there. I cannot devote my life at the moment because i promise god that i would take care of my boys until they need me.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:31 am  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

No need to adopt a kid.

But maybe you could help in other ways, like paying fr their education, sanity etc. Donating some regular amt of money fr a child in these depressing areas.

I am just like you, keep thinking abt all these, but not doing much. have to get my butt up and start something. I believe the greatest crime of humanity is not being able to provide a child with food and education.

Hopefully, i will do something soon and maybe if your will is strong, you can do something too..doesnt matter in which country!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:39 am  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

Sunita, I am not sure I live your first statement.
I myslelf would like to visit Dubai, hopefully this year, it is so nice there.

Donating to a child is a very good cause but I keep wondering about the long term effect, does it encourage more parents to be irresponsible?

My father has a believe of never giving a donation to a child who is a beggar or an adult who is healty as giving donation to a child only encourge the partents not to work.
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Meri Dhosti Mera Pyar



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:26 am  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

I am aware of that guys..... its a downfall in a way.

I love children very much. My childhood life has been so dramatic and sad, nobody belief me telling the thruth. I am grown up now and its something i want to do to help kids.

My mom and i never saw eye to eye. Few times when i was abused i went to mom and told her and she said i must have dream that..... It never happened. Up until a year after she migrated to the USA and became closer emotionally with me then she start looking back. We can't change the past but helping others who is going through what i went through...makes me feel better.

Every soul have a purpose on Earth. We are all god's children.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:13 am  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

I was talking abt helping orhaned children actually.

Helping parents to care fr their child, you need to select carefully. Its like helping the poor. But there are genuine families who are in need out there, just follow yr heart.

It actually does not matter of the parent become lazy actually. Bec our concenr is the next generation! Help the child. Does not matter what the parents do, thats their problem.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:13 pm  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

I didn't go through all the posts here... but I just want to quickly rephrase sonita's question. Okay?? And this question is to everyone here.


How would you feel if one day your mother got raped?

How would you feel if your 10 years of savings got stolen in a second?

How would you feel if a man murdered your only son?


Yes, ask yourself these questions and get your minds moving. Exactly!!! Looking at it from a third person's view, you'd say "oh my God!! His hand chopped off!!? How disgusting! What kind of religion is this?!!?"

But if you were that person who had his assets stolen, you would want to kill the theif 10 times. Look at all those American criminals on deathrom. When their period finishes and it's time for the lethal injection, the whole country is pleading for their mercy and saying that the person repented and redempted (e.g. Stan Tookie Wiliams) , except the mother of the murdered person. She cannot , because you people do not know what it is like to have a murdered son. So don't just speak out of your minds.

The punishment of stealing is getting one hand chopped off. If he repeats it, he gets his other hand chopped off. Don't accuse this rule, but accuse the person who stole first. If this Islamic law is applied, the hundreds of thousands of thefts happening daily (if not hourly) will be greatly reduced.

And if one of you ever steals and gets away with it, there will be a day when you would wish to go back and get your hand chopped off. That is judgement day. Punishment for mistakes now in this life, will reduce punishment in the hereafter. But if a man repents truly and sincerely to God, then God will forgive him from this punishment in the hereafter, but he must still receive the punishment in this life. I heard a story of a Muslim who actually committed adultery and then several years later when Allah blessed him with the light of Islam, he was crying and went to the scholars and insisted that he gets the punishment for adultery. They were all telling him that God has veiled you and covered you, and that you should just repent and God will forgive you. But he insisted that he must get the punishment now.

"Verily God knows, and you do not know"

Islamic law is the solution to today's world. It is pure justice. Back 1400 years ago when there was an Islamic state, Muslim judges used to be deskilled with no job because there are no cases!!!!

All that stealing, rape, murder, betrayal. You look at people getting punished and you say "oh how unfair". But you be the victim, and you'd want the punishment to be applied 1000 times to the criminal. This is pure justice.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 11:57 pm  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

Ayman, so its ok if a muslim blows up thousands of people, including children?

Its ok if a Muslim beheads innocent people who had nothing to do with the war?

Is this islamic justice? Is this what you advocate?
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 5:03 am  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

i don't know what ayman want's to prove here..........but one thing is sure this law is good for nothing......
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:12 am  Post subject: (No subject) Reply with quoteBottom of PageBack to top

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Ayman, so its ok if a muslim blows up thousands of people, including children?

Its ok if a Muslim beheads innocent people who had nothing to do with the war?

Is this islamic justice? Is this what you advocate?


No I never said this. This is absolutely wrong and it is not Islamic justice. Where is this in the Quran or Hadith?


I'm talking about punishment for doing crimes. I don't think it's applied anymore anywhere.
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